Come to our party!! For Halloween aka Samhain aka the halfway point between the Autumn Equinox and Winter Solstice, I'm joined by a CONFLUENCE of Witches: Casey Zabala, Edgar Fabian Frias, Eliza Swann, and Sanyu Estelle. This panel was inspired by an extraordinary book of essays, a modern witches anthology, that Casey compiled and edited, called A Confluence of Witches. All of today's guests contributed essays to what has become, for me, an indispensable resource as I navigate a world of magic and witchcrafters. I asked the group their thoughts on what the state of Witchcraft might look like in 2027, and they were oracles all. But as Eliza pointed out, "It's a river of voices that makes the oracular statement." Together we form both a confluence and a coalition. www.missingwitches.com/ep-312-samhain-2026-confluence-with-casey-zabala-edgar-fabian-frias-eliza-swann-and-sanyu-estelle/
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Intro: You aren't being a proper woman, therefore you must be a witch.
You must be a witch.
Amy: Hello, and happy Samhain. Happy Halloween. Happy October 31st, whatever that might mean to you. Today, I am hosting not just a party, but a confluence, and I know that it's super corny to start a speech with a definition from Webster's Dictionary, but I'm doing it anyway because what is a confluence? I looked up the word just to get a little etymology.
Y'all know I love that type of stuff, and we know Sanyu loves etymology. I do. Um, but a confluence is the flowing together of two or more streams, or rivers, or people, or ideas, or events, or factors, and I love, number one, this word. I love that Casey Zabala chose this word as the title of the book, A Confluence of Witches, because I do feel like having done the Missing Pitch Witches podcast for eight years now, I have seen how every witch is a river.
I have seen how every witch is a stream, and most excitingly for me, I have seen what happens when those rivers intersect and form whole new bodies of water that we, as witches, get to swim in. So happy Samhain. I'm so excited to be joined today by an amazing confluence of witches, Casey Zabala, Edgar Fabian Frias, Sanyu Estell, and Eliza Swan.
Happy Samhain. Thank you so much for joining me for this confluence party.
Sanyu: Happy
Casey: Samhain. So happy to be here.
Amy: So Casey, you are the genesis of this idea. Your book, again, A Confluence of Witches, is a collection of essays that you curated from the folks that are here today, and many others. Talk to me a little bit about, A, who you are and why you did this.
And while you're having a moment to think, listeners, this book has been out two, three years now, and I return to it constantly. The essays are Not just wonderful, but enlightening. Whenever I'm doing research, I know that there's gonna be an essay in Confluence of Witches that I can look to quote. So tell me about, A, who are you?
What are you doing? And two, what was the genesis of this project?
Casey: Yeah, so thank you. I'm, I'm just, like, really delighted to hear that you, um, have found so much written richness in this book because I do think it's ... There's, there's so much goodness from everyone who contributed. I, like, was so excited as I was putting it together.
Um, but The Confluence of Witches, the book itself, was born out of hosting kind of conference-style symposium events, um, starting ... We started in 2018, um, bringing together these streams of witchcraft and witches from, um, diverse backgrounds, diverse lineages and practices and traditions, and, um, really trying to, like, hold space for the multiplicity of witchcraft.
Um, and I came to hosting those events, um, as somebody who, you know, had been practicing witchcraft in various forms throughout my whole life. I am, um, a tarot reader, an artist. I've created a tarot deck, Wanderer's Tarot, an oracle deck as well, Weird Sisters Oracle. Um, and just really a, um, a lover of witches, a lover of witchcraft, and just feel so, um, inspired by all of the people I've met on my personal path, um, discovering myself, discovering what witchcraft really is and what it means to me and what it holds for other people, what it unlocks for other people, how it heals people.
Um, and yeah, I really wanted to create a confluence of witches, and modern witches being one of the ways we call our communities, um, to bring more inclusion and diversity into the conversation. I had been going to many conferences, um, for witches throughout the years, and there always felt like there was this, like, overflowing cup.
Um, and it always felt like the conversation of otherness was really present, but maybe not, like, happening, like, or centered, um, in a way. So yeah, it's, it's been an ongoing kind of conversation we're having and, and this anthology is, is a big part of it, so.
Amy: Can we give our listeners a little bit of context and seat in the book?
Um, would you- Yeah ... mind reading a paragraph from your introduction?
Casey: Absolutely.
Amy: Thank you.
Casey: Contrary to popular opinion, witchcraft is not a trend. A trend implies something that is temporarily and cyclically fashionable, while witchcraft is as ancient as the moon. True, the moon rules cyc-- the moon cycles through its own phases of power and light, and one could argue that witchcraft does just the same, occulting precious aspects of its powerful secrets to protect its adherents while empowering and emboldening witches to embrace their magical identities when the culture can sustain it.
This mutability in itself is core to the lasting power of witchcraft. Witchcraft has been here since the beginning and continuing, continuing to shape-shift and create new constellations of meanings as it evolves alongside our modern preoccupations
Amy: I love the notion of us as witches being both confluence of rivers and stars in constellations.
That we are something, and then we come together and form something bigger. I wanna turn to Edgar. I always want to turn to Edgar, but Edgar's actually in the room right now, so I can really do this. First of all, hi, how are you?
Edgar: Hi. I'm really happy to be here. I'm, yeah, just really grateful to be able to join y'all today.
It's, uh, Indigenous Peoples Day, and it's wonderful to get together on, yeah, this day, and to see your beautiful faces. And, um, I'm really thrilled by this, um, theme that you're bringing in of us coming together and forming different constellations and bodies of water. I've been so moved and transformed by the ways that our formations have really impacted myself and other people in my life
Amy: You wrote of technology, of the internet, of digital existence, "This is the land of mutants, of those who shape-shift and transgress colonial notions of gender, race, and class, forever embodying the harmonious union and dissolution of binaries in all their forms."
Tell me a little bit more for our listeners about this essay that you wrote for A Confluence of Witches.
Edgar: Yeah. I wanted to connect, um, this, like, emerging technology in the West with, um, ancient technology, um, of, um, the Wirrika, which, um, I am a descendant of the Wirrika, which is, um, a, um, First Nation community in, uh, Mexico from Oaxaca, Zacatecas, and Jalisco, although we live all over the world as well.
Um, and, um, Wirrika is a form of, um, ancestral veneration. It's also a, um, image-making practice, a map-making practice. Um, Wirrika take the form of rocks. Um, they also take the form of paintings and, um, they're often left as, um, offerings, and they're used for divination purposes, and, uh, they're also used for creating realities.
And I started to really think about this connection between this technology and, you know, um, AI and, um, image generation and, um, just this idea that, you know, people are creating reality with these new technologies, and often, um, you know, a lot of these people don't understand the ontological weight of that, and also, or even the spiritual weight of that, the existential weight of that.
And I was really wanting to make space to bring in indigenous, uh, wisdom, thought, um, into, into that narrative because it's not being brought in. And, um, as much as I, like, don't want to engage with those technologies in some ways, I also, like, know that, like, colonialists will use these technologies and create their own realities with them and that, like, a lot of voices will not be embedded within them if we don't find a way to insert ourselves
Amy: So much of your work, Edgar, is about imagining new realities using, excuse me, using our imagination to create realities.
Can you tell our listeners if they're struggling with the, the power of their imagination, what is a good first step for opening that portal?
Edgar: Hmm. Yeah, I, you know, could understand, uh, with all the oppression and all the, um, ways that we're told that our imagination is not real or it's not powerful, how difficult that can be to access sometimes.
And yet we all have the ability to, you know, picture something or to get a sense of something. Like, I'm thinking about a warm apple pie, and you could just imagine what that feels like, what that smells like, uh, what, um, emotions you might have as you, you know, maybe get an apple pie placed in front of you.
And all of that is starting to open up that capacity of imagining. And, you know, you might want to imagine, like, a bowl of, um, ice cream next to that apple pie too, maybe a glass of soy milk. You know? Like, there's many ways that you could start to really play in that space, and I think play has such a big, um, intersection with imagination.
And I do feel like imagination is such a powerful portal into intuition and into connecting into other realms. And, um, I, I know that that's one of the reasons why it's been, um, minimized and also denigrated and, you know, people are made to almost either be afraid of it or not feel like they have the capacity to do it.
But everyone has the ability to step into their imagination.
Amy: Thank you so much for not starting out with imagining a whole new reality, and instead starting out with imagining an apple pie. Or if you're celebrating Samhain or Halloween today, imagining the flickering candle inside of a jack-o'-lantern.
And going from there, we don't have to start by imagining a whole new universe, although we will get there eventually. And on the subject of imagination, I feel like every day I'm quoting Diane di Prima, "The war is the war for the human imagination, and no one can fight it but you." And of course, I mean, Casey, you had me at hello.
The very first page of Confluence of Witches is a quote from Diane di Prima, and she wrote, and you transcribed here from Revolutionary Letter number 46, "And as you learn the magic, learn to believe it. Don't be surprised when it works. You undercut your power." What a way to start the book. Before I keep going around the circle, tell me about that choice for the opening of the book.
Casey: Um, actually that quote came out of a conversation I had with Dori Midnight, um, when we were talking about their piece and their contribution. Um, and so I can't take full credit for it, but Diane di Prima's one of my absolute heroes, and we have the same birthday, which is a fun thing for me. Um, but I do think it's really-- I- that helps me in those moments when I feel disconnected or I get, like, lost in the, like, the malaise that we're all existing in.
Um, it helps me return to this idea of like, and the magic is real. Like, like fervently stepping into that place of power of, like, this is a real experience we all can connect into, the magic, the imagination. Um, I think it's, it's a spell, right, that we can cast every day for ourselves to just, like, return to our place of power, return to our center, and to our constellations that we're building together.
Amy: And I love the vaguely threatening piece of it too, that if you are doing magic and you don't believe in it, you're undercutting its power. It's not gonna work, right? Uh, I talk all the time about, like, living on this spectrum between anxiety and faith, and I always lean toward the anxiety side. But this quote is, is sort of pushing me more toward that faith side.
And when, when you were inviting people, as our guests are here today, um, to write their essays, how much direction did you give people? Did you say, "Hey, write an essay about whatever you think is important right now," or was there a little more guidance than that? A little more direction?
Casey: You know, I, um, I sort of had conceptualized, uh, like, themes for chapters and then connected folks with what I thought they might be able to speak towards.
Um, so it was very-- it was pretty loose prompt. I mean, I was lucky enough to, like, really, like, know the contributors and what, what was in their sort of, like, magic, um, toolkit. So I was like, "Ooh, this might be interesting for you," and I kind of proposed some-- a few ideas of, like, was-- would it be this theme that you would wanna talk about or this?
And, um, but it's also fun to just kind of, like, let magicians be magicians and- See what comes through
Amy: Right? I always have- Yeah ... m- my questions, but I'm always more excited about what people bring outside of what I thought of. It's the same thing as the imagination, right? Like, we can only imagine what we can imagine, and everything outside of that still exists.
Just because I can't imagine what you're gonna say doesn't mean you're not gonna say something amazing, right, Sonyu?
Sanyu: I wondered if that was the, uh, segue into my essay.
Amy: I mean, you were on the podcast earlier this year, and we, we talked a lot about your essay, but just this notion of quantum witchcraft, just give us a little, a little shallow dive into- A shallow
Sanyu: dive ...
Amy: that notion. Yeah, because a deep dive- A shallow dive ... we would be here for the rest of our lives.
Sanyu: Yes. The shallow dive is all time exists at once, all space exists at once, and all truths exist at once.
That's a natural functional byproduct of existence itself, and it's infantin- infin- infinitismal n- no, that's not the word. Infiniteness. There we go. And it's infiniteness.
Amy: It, it's infinitesimal
Sanyu: infi- It's small, right? Isn't infinitesimal, like, small? That's, that's
Amy: a word, right? Infinitesimal
Sanyu: in- It is, but I think it has a somehow the opposite meaning of- Or maybe it means going on forever, but infiniteness, right?
Like, or we can think of quantum witchcraft as using what is to become more of what you prefer-
Amy: Yes, because- ...
Sanyu: as opposed to, like, get around what is.
Amy: So- The title of the essay is Loving What Is.
Sanyu: Mm-hmm.
Amy: Loving What Is. So where does imagination intersect with reality in the loving of what is?
Sanyu: Oh, where doesn't it?
Um, I think everything is a spectrum, and for that reason, um, there is a degree along that spectrum for every state of being. So to dial in, let's say, to the love degree or frequency for every individual, there's a different, like, qualification for what that is. And the idea is more, in quantum witchcraft, to know what that is for you rather than to decide what it is for everybody.
Amy: I just love you. I'm so excited to come back around and- No, you too ... I know you've got a book coming out soon, and I'm so excited to
Sanyu: read it. I know. I just turned in my final manuscript, so praise
Amy: be. Jesus. We'll come back around to that. But first, I want to turn to Eliza Swann. Um, we're talking about, Sanya was talking about the everythingness of it all, and I wanna turn to what you wrote in the book A Confluence of Witches.
Everybody go buy it now. Just go buy it now. Celebrate Samhain by buying this book immediately. But hi, Eliza.
Eliza: Hi.
Amy: You wrote Many people have written about breakdowns and depression, but do any of us do it well? It had been too many years of being told my faiths were not real and not relevant. Art and language left me for the first time and left nothing in its place.
My head was empty. Later, I would learn to treasure nothingness as the true face of the divine. We covered everythingness. Talk to me about nothingness.
Eliza: I love that you picked that out because I think at one point that was, like, circled, uh, by an editor. Like, "That doesn't make sense." Um, and-
Amy: If I could tell you the number of times that an editor has, like, insert...
Like- True ... you just don't understand the artfulness of what I'm trying to do. I had one paragraph that was all in rhyme, and so, you know, the, the grammar wasn't necessarily perfect because I was making it, and they kept changing it and correcting the grammar, and I kept changing it back. Like, no, it's supposed to...
Anyway, what do editors know? Sorry, Casey.
Eliza: Sometimes they correct anything.
Amy: But tell me about nothingness as the face of the divine.
Eliza: Well, yeah, I think it's funny to hear things that you wrote before 'cause I, if I wrote that today, I don't think I would say it was the true face of the divine. I would say it was a face, um, that I was learning to appreciate at that time.
But I love that you picked out that passage. I'm gonna answer this sort of sideways or through tangents. Um, I found out just a couple years ago, I went to a high school in New York City that I was thrown out of for truancy. I was so miserable there, and I was told that my poetry was bad and my art was bad and, you know, I would try to write essays about witchcraft and turn them in.
They would be handed back to me as not, not being evidence-based or, or, um, unsupportable. Um, and I found out a couple years ago that Audre Lorde and Diane di Prima went to my high school, and they were friends, and they had a group together called The Branded, and they would skip class to have seances for dead poets and kind of to, to learn from poets who'd come before them.
Um, and I think if I had known that, so much of the devastation that I felt in that school would've been alleviated. And so I think part of what that chapter gets to eventually is that, um, the heartbreak of having your particular- Reality rejected or your way of seeing things or understanding things rejected, um, it can sometimes lead to an emptiness or a spaciousness that asks you to find a different rationale besides an authority figure.
Um, I'm also thinking about ... I'm just gonna meander in my thoughts here, but Casey invited me, I think in 2018 or 2019, to do something at the Confluence, and I was laughing while I was remembering it as Casey was talking, and just appreciating her voice and r- having memories. And, um, I was invited to teach, and I decided to do a scrying class with bowls of ink.
And out of the bowls of ink you would be instructed to go deeply into nothingness and spaciousness and, um, a place without, totally without form. And then you dip a paintbrush in and start to intuitively pull forms out of formlessness, just to kind of ... I mean, that can have many reasons and, um ... But for that particular class, the purpose of working with ink and scrying and creating form out of no form is just to kind of disrupt maybe having to feel like you're the author of an artwork, or you have to have an idea, or you have to have a style.
And I was laughing because I remembered thinking, like, "Oh, maybe 20, 30 people will come," you know? And I brought supplies for that many people, and I think 150 people were packed in that room. And we all just kind of shared these little, tiny bowls of ink and gazed into the void together, and it was such a precious moment of embracing the nothing.
Um, I have no idea if I answered your question, but these were things I thought of.
Amy: You know me, I don't care about a train of thought. I like a bumper car of thought that bounces off the other one and onto the next. But I wrote down while you were talking, emptiness versus spaciousness. And again, this is that kind of, like, deconstructed version of taking a word and making it mean the opposite.
Emptiness has, like, a heavy, negative maybe connotation, but spaciousness, although it means the same thing, has this uplifting ... Listeners, if you are feeling empty, can you think of yourself instead as spacious? Eliza thinks you can Casey What is the state of witchcraft going into 2027? Again, it's been a few years since you-
since you put the book out, since the book b- has been out, and years before that you were working on putting the book together, doing your conference, et cetera, et cetera. What is the state of witchcraft going into 2027? You said in your introduction it's not a trend, so.
Casey: Mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean, I think that there's so much more, like, need for witchcraft, and I think people have identified that need within themselves, um, and are not gonna let that go.
Um, I think we really need witches who are kind of, like, really consciously weaving webs of resistance and support, and I think, I think that's very much happening. Um- Yeah, I think we, like, the... I'm returning to the quote of, like, we need to believe that the magic is real at this point, um, in order to see us through, you know, so much, um, oppression and harm that we're seeing so, like, full force right now.
Like, it's really taking, um, very sharp, real shapes in the world, um, in many ways. And I know that witches have so many tools to kind of imagine other ways of being and other ways of doing. Um, and so I'm really interested in that. I'm really interested in, like, how people are going to show up together in new ways.
And, um, I'm really, I'm really intrigued by kind of this, uh, return to craft that I think we're seeing, um, these days as we're seeing sort of this, like, like, hyper technology expansion happening. I think there's also this, like, really rooting back into ancient technologies, ancient crafts, um, healing arts that are actually, like, very much about human-to-human support and interaction.
And so while I see technology going in this really crazy wild direction, which is interesting, there's something else really beautiful happening that witches have been doing forever. Um, so that's what I'm thinking about and noticing and participating in right now.
Amy: Yeah. Yeah. There's, there's... You're definitely right.
There has been, like, a, a reactionary development of- Mm-hmm ... you know, more, let's call them the primal arts, the stuff that is, like, so core to our DNA as humanity. Growing food, um, is one example. Mm-hmm. Making art with our hands is another one. Edgar, how does your river flow into Casey's river of thought?
What, what is the state of witchcraft going into 2027? And before you answer, let me just say, of this whole group, I've known you the longest, and you have always been a lighthouse, a role model. So let me just say that right off the top. So what... where is the beacon of your light shining right now on this question of the, where witchcraft is going, where, what's the state- Mm
of witchcraft?
Edgar: Well, as you know, I'm someone who really, um, believes so deeply in the power of our spells and the power of our art. And, um, you know, I've been really heartened to witness in the last few years how much, um, you know, change we've seen in our culture from people really seeing this as fringe or, um, not real and, you know, really people being embedded within a materialist paradigm, um, really starting to soften and, and become more malleable in understanding that there's so much more at play.
And also just like how colonialist and white supremacist, uh, materialist, uh, paradigm has been and how much violence that has enacted upon so many communities. And, um, you know, with that, of course, you know, I do feel like with that dissolution, we also see other responses like, you know, Casey bringing up like technology really running rampant and, um, really trying to reinsert, um, and also extract and steal and, um, kind of cr- create meaning, uh, through their own like systems and algorithms and trying to re-ascribe, um, how people, um, make sense of the world.
And, um, at the same time, I also have been so moved to witness how people are tuning into themselves, into their own hearts, into their own communities, and turning to one another for support. And, um, also just seeing Uh, for example, um, it was just announced this month that, um, the Tate, which is one of the largest institutions in the art world, um, is publishing a book on magic, and it's called Magic Beyond the Supernatural in Contemporary Art.
And, you know, for them to really put a stamp on magic and witchcraft i- as really relevant themes to explore in contemporary art is so huge. And I feel like if there are any non-believers still left in the art world, I'm really hoping that it'll really, um, give them that impetus for them to learn more and to, um, come to understand why these ancient practices are still so relevant, um, at this moment, and they're so deeply needed.
Um, and I think, you know, as we've seen in the past, whenever fascism has come, uh, to light, uh, there has always been also another, um, call, another push that has emerged as well, and I think we're witnessing it, and it's been building. And, um, I'm, um, always heartened to know that I'm a part of a huge web of witches that are doing their work in many, many different ways and, um, to know that we are also holding up another mirror or another, um, way of existing, um, and that we're being celebrated for it too, and we're not just having to exist in the shadows or having to convince people that we're actually being platformed.
And, um, so that's like what I think is, um, giving me a lot of hope, knowing that we're being, um, really brought into our proper place, which is where we've been for, you know, thousands of years, but we've been pushed out. And I wanna believe more and more that we're always being brought back in closer and closer to the center of community
Amy: I think so too.
Thank you. Um, because, you know, Casey, the book starts, witchcraft is not a trend, but I think there was a moment where it was trending definitely. Um, and I've seen that over the past few years. I've seen it ebb and flow. But I think as Edgar, like you're saying, what emerges from maybe the ocean of this trend are the people who are taking it very seriously, doing the work, who really believe.
Sonya, what is the state of witchcraft headed into 2027? Are you worried about the fascists coming and banging down my door because my website has the word witches in it? What do you think?
Sanyu: You know, I'm not a worrier by nature. It's, it doesn't, uh, help me think. So it doesn't help me, uh, be wise in, in revolutionary circumstances.
Worrying does not help me that. Because ultimately I think with quantum witchcraft, there is trust in existence, and there is recognition that everything is existence, and there's some degree of trust in everything, right? Like I always say, you can trust a liar to lie, right? So like I know how to navigate with a liar.
I'm just not gonna ... I'm gonna take everything with a bag of salt and verify everything that I need to verify, and not ask that many questions, to be honest. Um, and so there's ways to navigate what you don't prefer. Um, and that is the, the need, that is the, the ailment that needs the medicine because at the end of the day, I think for witchcraft, the state of witchcraft for me is becoming more personal More, I just, I mean, obviously we're, like, seeing a sort of faith fervor, right?
Whether people are going back to religions or whether people are going back to, you know, cultural, moralist, traditional, like, ontologies or philosophies or whatever, right? Um, so quote-unquote classical, uh, beliefs or whatever, you know, like all this Puritanism around the Odyssey and stuff. Um, but for me, I mean, especially in writing my book and, and it taking me back so much further than I imagined it would because I was like, "Maybe my book will be from like 800 CE."
Meanwhile, I'm like back here in 3500 BCE. I'm like, "The fuck? There's information from back here?" But what I've learned, I suppose, again, looking at such a huge swath of the planet, um, s- cultures, not the majority, not everything, but, uh, you know, Eurasia and Africa certainly, um, is how much sort of spiritual pluralism and syncretism has assisted any kind of faith in moving forward, and typically at the beginning of every...
Even the Abrahamic faiths were all polytheistic at first. So it's very interesting to get back that far and know what that was to some degree for those people through historians through the years who have been either contemporaries of people in those times and written about it and somehow that has survived, or the evidence itself has survived.
Because a lot of that, what I recognize going back, is some of the earliest writings we have are, like, oracular in nature, right? So that, like, where is it going, where it's always been, it's here. It's like tapping into your personal understanding of that in a way that ideally is empowering because I think the faith further does come from worry, does come from angst, and does come from existential dread.
And I'm not saying those things are not present to be acknowledged 'cause obviously I'm not, like, delusional. It's present to be acknowledged. But at the same time, that's true whether or not you are pursuing your passion, being your most authentic self, living in your truth, showing up in community the way that you value being in the world as you claim it should be changed.
Like, you don't control the circumstances, and that's not what magic is gonna teach you, and witchcraft is not gonna teach you how to control the circumstances. But you may learn what is actually within your control, and if you get good at that- Like whatever is happening is more or less irrelevant because you're gonna navigate it with as much awareness and confidence as you can have, and that is really all that you can do anyway.
So you might as well mind the business that pays you, um, and that is yourself for certain. So I hope it gets more personal and collective and, and coalition-based of course, because there's strength in the diversity and the sort of interfaith-ness of everything, and that's why I say syncretism and spiritual pluralism bring things forward because it's those people who are even willing to consider other ways of thinking and faith and understanding and practicing.
Um, so yeah, that's what I think.
Amy: Eliza Sanyu talked about being oracular, so if you were the Oracle at Delphi If that were your job title, what would you tell us, the Missing Witches coven, the five of us sitting in this room, what would you tell us about the state of witchcraft in 2027?
Eliza: I think as soon as you said that, I just looked up and saw all of us speaking at the same time, and I think really it's a river of voices that makes the oracular statement, not just one.
So I'll just take that off my own shoulders. But, um, I think one of the things I was thinking as folks were sharing was that people ask me... I had a gallery for artists who were interested in mystical practice back in 2007, 2008, 2009. And then as the arts, as Edgar was, was speaking to, have started to embrace the, the occult more or the esoteric more or the spiritual more, um, people have asked me over and over and over again, you know, um, am I annoyed by that?
Do I feel kind of precious about that corner of, of things? And I don't, I'm not surprised at all. I, I... As the more, um... As soon as Instagram came about, I just thought, oh, magic is gonna do well here because we know the technology of images so well. It'll just propagate like a field of flowers. Um, and I think of my aunt who raised me from the ages of zero to about four.
She was a witch and a gardener. I was so lucky. And I would follow her around her gardens, and she would show me things like, you see how poison ivy and jewelry weed, they grow side by side, so poison ivy will give you the rash and jewel weed will clear the rash. This is how things grow in the forest. And so likewise, as things have become, um, really oppressive and difficult and unbearable, I've also been heartened and expectant and joyful to see all of these incredible witches and magicians rising up and making themselves known and creating community and, um, saying that we are empowered to make these changes with whatever tools we have at our disposal, with whatever our talents might be.
So I feel that the forecast for 2027, I loved what Sanyu said, it, it is what it's always been, right? Um, but- If I'm quoting that correctly, you tell me. Um, the forecast for 2027 is just, um, more community, more magic, more opportunities for folks in these witchcraft and magical areas of the world to thrive and, and shine in all the ways that they hope to, and more.
That's my forecast.
Amy: Thank you. Um, and thank you for bringing up the, the jewelweed poison ivy. And so I just kind of wanna bring in the point that it's not necessarily two plants that are growing next to each other, although that does happen in nature. Sometimes it's the same plant. Like, I grow rhubarb, and the stalks are delicious and edible, and the leaves are poison.
And the same with an apple. The, the, the meat of an apple makes the delicious pie that Edgar was having us imagine, but the seeds contain cyanide if you have enough of them. And we don't wanna use binary terms, but for the sake of this conversation, there is a light and a dark. There is a love and a hate.
There is a this and a that, all existing constantly at the same time within the apple. We can make a pie or we can make a poison from our apple. Eliza, what are you working on now? What's next?
Eliza: Whoa. I'm writing. Um, I know a few of us are. And the thing I'm most excited to share about is that next year I'm installing an alchemist garden at the Philosophical Research Society in LA.
Um, so my partner is a sculptor and a medium, and they're making planters that speak to each of the seven planets that are named in alchemical traditions. And within each of the planters, I've chosen plants that will thrive in LA, but also pertain to each planet. Um, and I'm curating a series of lectures around the garden, and looking forward to having an outdoor plant-based, sculpture-based place to play and learn.
Amy: Oh, I can't wait to visit Sanyu, you've been working on this book. Now's the time. Now's the time. Now's the time. When... You just handed in your draft. Do you have a pub date yet?
Sanyu: My final, my final draft. It's, the edit is in. I'm done with the... I mean, I wanna look at it, but I'm more or less done with the, the edit.
Amy: Do you have a pub date yet?
Sanyu: I do. It is July 6th, 2027.
Amy: So-
Sanyu: The book is a Cancer, which is funny, 'cause I thought it was gonna come out in fall 2026, so I was like, "Okay, I'm getting, like, a Libra, I'm getting a Scorpio, I'm getting a Sagittarius," and then this water baby was like, "No, it's me."
Amy: And tell, tell our listeners, um, the, the title, the working title, what's the book about?
I have- Again, the shallow dive.
Sanyu: Yes. I have a cover. It's, it is, the title, it's The Cultural Roots of Tarot. Comes out July 6th, 2027, through Red Wheel Weiser. It's about the sociological, political, and technological developments that allowed for the tarot to exist, and mostly it covers, it definitely, there's two ways to read it.
Um, and I, you, you read it the way that your perspective deems important. But the first chapter is the playing card chapter, and the last chapter is the becoming the tarot chapter. And the tarot, and the chapters in between are the historical context that allows chapters one and seven to exist. So there will be China, India, the journey of the Roma, which I worked with Yasmina van Thiel, and really I l- and literally mapped out, um, the journey from India to Europe, and I put the dates, and I looked across multiple kinds of research to do that.
Everything from linguistic, 'cause you know I love my words, to historical, to religious texts, to reports from other cultures that encountered them, to genetic evidence, which there is plenty of now, which is quite interesting. And then my last two chapters before the tarot chapter are the alchemical Egypt chapter, which is basically, like, Egypt before colonization, and then a chapter I call Egypt Thrice Great, which is Egypt after the Ptolemies and the Romans and the Coptics and the Muslims, and how that actually spread literacy throughout the Mediterranean.
So you can read the historical context, the cultural context, the political context, or if you just wanna see if I can prove something new about the tarot, and you're impatient, you can just read chapters one and seven, and then go back and read the rest.
Amy: Do you know when you'll have a pre-order link?
Sanyu: You know, I technically do, so I am gonna give it to you.
Amy: Listeners, you hear that?
Sanyu: Um, for the post. Yes. I haven't posted it yet because the first... I, like, first of all, it is on, like, the typical big box, you know, terrible institutions like Walmart and Amazon. Like, you can find it there at this time. But where I found it, they had, like, incorrect data about me as under the about the author.
They said I published Brit- Holtz book, formerly known as Brittany Carmona Holtz book. And then I was like, that, I don't wanna put this link up because you know it's... But you're gonna get a good link, and I'm gonna find one that is clean and nice and I'd give it to you.
Amy: Find me a good one that actually says correct facts about who you are.
Sanyu: Like, I did not write that book. Like, I wrote some of it, but not all of it, yeah.
Amy: Edgar, do you wanna talk more about this Tate project, or tell me what else you're working on? The podcast is Your Art Is a Spell. You're expanding your therapy practice. Talk to me, what's going on?
Edgar: Yeah, um, I have a lot happening.
Uh, um, I'm really grateful to be one of the 45 artists from around the globe that's been included in this book by Tate, um, called Magic Beyond the Supernatural in Contemporary Art, and it's coming out officially on the 20th of this month in the UK, and next year in March, um, it'll be coming out here in the US and everywhere else.
Um, and yes, I do have a podcast called Your Art Is a Spell, uh, where I interview, um, like artists, people who, um, engage in magic or in art practices in many different ways, and I also just make vi- um, videos or, um, podcasts about like art and different themes that I find interesting or relevant. Um, and I do have a psychotherapy practice and, um, I work with creatives, folks who are multi-hyphenate, multi-passionate, and I work with, uh, folks who are neurodivergent as well.
Um, and I feel really, really, really lucky and fortunate to be able to like hold space and offer support for those folks. Um, and as an artist, I'm, um, excited to share that, um, I was commissioned to make an indigenous futurist UFO in 2024 by the city of Los Angeles, and it was, um, it placed in LA in front of City Hall, and it actually was just taken a couple of days a- um, ago to be placed by the border in Calexico.
Um, it's gonna be a part of an exhibition there, and, and it will be coming to Riverside next year for, um, at the Cheech, um, Center for Con- uh, Chicano Art and Culture in, um, Riverside. So yeah, and I'm also gonna be a part of another witchy exhibition in San Jose next year too, and, um, I'm also been working slowly on a book as well too that I can't share much about yet, but it's like hopefully gonna come together and I'll be able to share more about it in the near future.
Um, but yeah, as you know, being a multi-passionate, um, overzealous Gemini, I feel like I'm always working on a million different things at once, but that's just- How my constitution is.
Amy: And where do you draw your energy from for all this? I feel like I'm exhausted all the time, and here you are-
multi-hyphenating your way through. Where do you get the energy?
Edgar: Um, I, you know, I feel like I would be more tired if I was just working on one thing, and I think I just ... I, I get really excited by having a lot of diversity in my life. And, um, and I think, yeah, just, like, knowing my therapy practice is one day a week and knowing that I have, like, a day where I just get to, like, be with people and not think about my art and not think about my practice is so honestly restorative.
And I know that sounds really weird, 'cause a lot of people think that therapy should be really hard and ... But I honestly get so restored being with other people and, like, offering, offering something that is very different than where I normally am throughout the rest of the week. So I am ... Yeah. I, I have my little pockets of rest too that I always have to lean into.
Like, I'm not always on.
Amy: I'm so excited for this book. I know you can't talk about it. I'm not gonna ask you to talk about it. So excited for this book. Thank you. Casey, what are you working on now? I know that you've got a ... Thank you. Casey, I know you've got a, a spiritual development circle that you're crafting.
Casey: Yeah. I'm starting that, um, soon, and it's the first time I'm gonna be hosting kind of, like, a, a space for witches or witch-curious folks to kind of, like, maybe come and ground into what it looks like to cultivate a spiritual practice. Um, I think for a lot of us as seekers, we kind of, like, move through the world trying to pick up these threads and these keys, and, um, Spirit in Practice, my little circle that I'm hosting, is for people to come together in space, meditate together, um, explore dream work, explore journey work together, and sort of- Tap into some basic or foundational tools.
I don't wanna say basic, but yeah, foundational tools that, like, help you connect with your center, connect with your knowing, and support you in kind of following the threads that are the most right or luminous for you. Um, I really believe that witchcraft is a creative practice, and we each have our own skills and talents.
Like, some witches are out here hexing, and that's their medicine, right? Um, and some witches speak with angels, and some witches talk to plants. Some witches do it all. So I'm, I'm really hoping that spirit in practice is really, like, the way that folks can kind of feel supported in that searching process.
Um, and meditating in a group is just, like, nourishing in this way that I think, um, hopefully, I'm, I'm excited to just, like, do that with people and, and spin off some covens in the process. Um, when I was teaching tarot many years ago, I would al- there would always be covens that would just, like, cr- be created from these workshops I was hosting, so I love doing that.
Um, and then I am writing things and trying to make sense, um, of like, what is next, what's flowing through me, and making a lot of art, um, and just enjoying that. I think I'm in a moment where, um, oftentimes we feel like as artists you have to, like, know what you're producing or what body of work you're creating, and I'm just in the body of work now, so enjoying that and seeing clients too, so.
Amy: Does your practice look different during the fall/winter than it does in spring/summer?
Casey: Yeah, I would say so. I mean, I think, um, really feeling, we're, like, really feeling fall at this moment. We were in a heat wave here in California. Now it just got crisp and cold for the first time. Um, but definitely I think there's, like, a moment or, like, a gateway you go through with the equinox.
Um, moving towards Samhain now, I can feel my ancestors closer, I can feel my grief heavily at this point. And so the process of kind of, like, honoring grief and communing with the ancestors and, like, feeling into what healing work there is to be done with them, for them, with them. Um, and just kind of curling in, you know, to the dark season, which I feel more and more I'm like, wow, everyone says they're an introvert, but I don't know how they do life.
'Cause, like, I need, I need to be alone in a big way in order to exist. So I'm enjoying, like, really, like, protecting that space, so.
Amy: I'm the same. I'm, I'm call myself a lone wolf, but I also need my wolf pack.
Casey: Mm-hmm.
Amy: You know?
Casey: It's good. You gotta balance it out.
Amy: Sanyu, how do you, or do you, and if you do, how do you celebrate Samhain or Halloween or this halfway point between the fall equinox and the winter solstice, however you think about it?
Do you like to celebrate? And if so, how?
Sanyu: Oh, yeah, Halloween's my favorite holiday, um, since childhood. And also just because I'm born, bred, and buttered in LA and grew up around, in an area of LA where I grew up a lot, around a lot of kids of Hollywood people. Um, you also have, like, very fun Halloweens, right?
'Cause, you know, they are in the prop department, so they really have costumes and, like, wigs. I remember we had a murder mystery party, um, because they just had, like, all this source material, and everyone got to dress up when we were all really young, and we got to look like, you know, Clue, which was really fun.
So I have fantastic memories outside of the candy. I'm just someone who likes, um, whimsy and play, and I think that much like something like Burning Man, Hollywood, Halloween is, and Samhain is one of those times where people really allow themselves to be in their whimsy or their mischief or their playfulness and be in the fullness of their personalities, right?
Because at Burning Man, you have everything from nudists to furries, like, and everything in between. I always tell people my only selling point for Burning Man is if there was an alien there, you'd never fucking know. Like, you wouldn't... How would you know? So Halloween is one of those times where you're like, oh, you know, the real vampires are out, the real witches are out, and then there's all these little ghouls and goblins and LARPers and cosplayers and people sort of channeling that aspect or that dimension of themself that they do give permission to be magical, right?
So that feels really fun, and then also just being a part of, like, the Bashar org community and being connected to that, like, for as long as I have been and having, like, personal connections that raised me through the Bashar community that I didn't know were raising me, right? So then there's also the sort of philosophy of that about, like, the fall of Atlantis and that being a date and time where people have remembered for thousands of years about, like, the, the dissemination of power after a great time of corruption and what happens when, you know, you're rotten to the core, and the power can't hold because it's not sustainable, because you didn't make it sustainable.
And so Halloween, Day of the Dead is also in that community a recognition of, like, the fall of Atlantis' archetypal energies, and so I think of that too, and just what is the state of affairs? Where are we on this cosmic journey of repetition historically, and what does it mean to still be playing the negative game with power and with magic?
So I tend to also think about that over those days.
Amy: And, and thank you for that reminder too that despite the fact that apples contain sweet meat and poison seeds, some apples are just rotten to the core. So we keep that in mind too. Edgar, it's shapeshifting day. Tell me about how you celebrate Samhain or Halloween or the halfway point between the fall equinox and the winter solstice, and do you shapeshift on that day?
Edgar: Yeah, I'm someone that wishes Halloween was like every day of the year. Um, I love Halloween as well. Um, my partner and I, like the moment we like shifted into this like season went to go watch Resident Evil in the theaters. Um, I love horror movies. Um, my moon is in Scorpio, and so I feel like I love diving into like the darkness and yeah, feeling into like the monstrous and, um, the otherness, the slipperiness.
And, um, I'm someone who really enjoys seeing other people get into that. Um, I feel like I'm always a freak, always a weirdo. And so, uh, in a sense like every day is Halloween for me uh, when I exist in this world. Um, and I also wanna say that I d- do think of this time as also a time of, um, like harvesting and really receiving blessings and knowing that like a lot of us, um, have been planting lots of seeds.
Um, in the Wirrarika tradition, there's a f- a ritual known as Tate Mira, which is like a drum ritual. It's also a ritual of the early harvest. It's also a ritual that celebrates both ancestors and children, and it's really meant to bring together the generations. And, um, I think I do feel like the, um, joy of this time is that we can really feel our ancestral connections at this time.
And I do feel like that's also why we get so giddy and like turn towards death and celebrate death and all the macabre. And, um, I, I do feel like that's what keeps the cycle going is like knowing that we're a part of this like larger story. And so I think that also to me is something that we're reaping, um, at this time is that we get to really connect with that bigger- bigger narrative that we're a part of.
Amy: Thank you, Edgar. Thank you, Eliza, for the Golden Dome. Um, that is how I discovered both of your work. Well, I just wanted to take a second and thank you, Eliza, for creating that space. Thank you, Edgar, for being a part of that space. Eliza, what does Samhain or Halloween or the halfway point between the fall equinox and the winter solstice look like for an alchemist such as yourself or a gardener such as yourself or a witch such as yourself?
Eliza: Yeah. I mean, I echo what other folks were sharing. I love Halloween. Every day is Halloween. I love all the decorations. I love seeing people in their outfits. Brings me so much joy. And this year has been really delightful just because of how things have lined up. I'm in the Hudson Valley, and right on the autumnal equinox, all the maple trees just heard the signal and started to turn golden.
Boom. And then I ended up teaching an alchemy class about putrefaction, which is the rotting of proteins and the dissolving of corpses in the earth. And, um, alchemists used to use rotting manure and rotting urine in their experiments and in their work, and so talking about the properties of rot in that tradition and, and how it's, um, worked with, how grief is worked with, how decay is worked with, how impermanence is worked with.
So I just happened to be really deep in a lecture series about putrefaction and rot, which was such a nice I don't know, synchronicity. And then I was asked to do a workshop with my partner where we did basically a group exorcism on the new moon for folks. And so I feel like I've just been deep in rot, and decay, and exorcism, and Halloween, and the turning of the leaves, and just utter joy.
Um, I'm excited for it to keep coming. I keep pulling the death card in my own just personal pulls, and this morning I blasted Don't Fear The Reaper, and just danced around the house, and just really, like, loved on the Grim Reaper for a long time today. So, I don't know. I'm deep in it. I'm really loving it.
Amy: May we all be members of the Blue Oyster Cult. And thank you again for sort of ping-ponging that back that, you know, apples have, apples have meat and apples have poison, but some apples are rotten to the core. But even things that are rotten to the core can be useful for our magic. Mm. Okay, let's go around one more time.
Eliza, uh, if people wanna follow you, support you, what's the best way to find you?
Eliza: Yeah. Um, if you go to elizaswann.com or golden-dome.org, you can see what's going on. I think the best way to hear about what's coming up is to jump on the newsletter. I've got Instagram too, but I feel like Instagram hides things more and more frequently.
So I would say, yeah, jump on the newsletter to keep in touch.
Amy: And of course, listeners, all the links that we're about to mention and we have mentioned will be in the show notes, Sanyu.
Sanyu: Yes. You can find me at sanyuestelle.com. Listeners, that's S-A-N as in Nancy-Y-U-E-S-T-E-L-L-E. I'm dropping in the chat my pre-order link via Barnes & Nobles, but no shame in your game if you have to order it from somewhere else.
And thank you in advance for helping me, uh, sell my book by buying it. Um, and I'm on Sanyu Estelle on all social media. I'm not on Twitter. I'm technically on TikTok, but not frequently. I'm most active on Instagram and Threads, and YouTube and Patreon, and you can find me as Sanyu Estelle on all of those different platforms.
Amy: And again, listeners, pre-orders matter for publishers. They really do. So, um, we're really excited that Sanyu got this book deal, but we want Sanyu to get 20 book deals. So pre-orders matter, thank you. Edgar, how can our listeners find support, show you love, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera?
Edgar: Yeah, I, I just wanna quickly say, um, m- much gratitude to Eliza and Casey for both of you being, like, community builders and organizers, like organizing witches that bring people together, just, like, how important that magic is and how life-changing that magic is.
Like, I just wanna really uplift and highlight that. And, um, just if folks are interested in getting to know me, um, you can always go to my website, which is my name, edgarfabianfrias.org. And, um, my therapy website is therapywithedgar.com. And I have a newsletter at mutant-magic.com that you can sign up for free
Amy: If you self-identify as mutant, um, which I do.
Edgar: Yes.
Amy: Casey, thank you again for putting A Confluence of Witches together. The book specifically, again, listeners, celebrate Samhain today by buying this book if you don't have it already. I guarantee there is an essay in there, there are many essays that will blow your mind, but there is at least one that you will connect to that will change your life, that will change your magic, that will change something in the way that you view your spirituality, your journey of decolonization or deconstruction or reconstruction or divination or whatever.
I guarantee there is something in this book for you. Casey, thank you so much for creating A Confluence of Witches. Now, where can our listeners find you, seek you out, support you? What's the best way to do that?
Casey: Oh, well, thank you so much. I mean, I, I am, like, so grateful to have this conversation two year- I think it's two years after this was published.
Time is an illusion. Um, but it, it really is just, like, a really wild anthology, which I like. I like, there was, one of my favorite bad reviews we got of this book was like, "This book doesn't really make any sense." And I was like, "Perfect. Great." Um,
Amy: It doesn't make
Casey: any sense
Amy: to you.
Casey: So to you. But it's, it's, it's weird, and I love that.
Um, weird in the best way. Um, and yeah, you can find me at wandererstarot.com. That's my website. You can sign up for my newsletter there. I'm on Substack. Um, my subs- Substack is called Hedge Spells. Um, and I'm writing divination journals there, and just thoughts about, you know, how to, how to be a witch during these, like, wildly, um, turbulent times.
And, um, it's fun to kind of meet people there. And yeah, if you, if you're looking for intuitive guidance connection, I'm offering, um, intuitive divination sessions with tarot and astrology and spirit work. Um, and it's a treat to connect with people that way.
Amy: And it has been a trick and a treat to connect with all of you today.
I mean, y'all know me. You know that these kind of gatherings, these kind of conversations are my lifeblood. When I, um, am feeling empty, these conversations transform that feeling into spacious. And so again, Casey, Sanyu, Eliza, Edgar, thank you so much, not just for being here and being with the Missing Witches Coven today, but for the work that you do.
Everything that you put out into the world makes me feel better about being alive, even as we tumble into this season of death. Everything that the four of you are doing is making me feel grateful to be alive at this time. It's a scary time. But hey, we're witches, and it's Halloween. We have friends in the dark.
So again, thank you all so much. The book is A Confluence of Witches, edited by Casey Zabala. Um, there are at least a dozen essays in there. You will find something that you love. Happy Samhain. Happy Halloween. Happy halfway point between the fall equinox and the winter solstice, and blessed fucking be Thank you so much, my angels, for being with me today.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Eliza: Thank you so much- Thank you, Amy ... Casey, for bringing us together. Thank you. It's so special. Ah.
Casey: Thank you all for being in this. Thank you, Amy, so much. I love all of you so much. It's really a treat.
Eliza: And thank you, Amy-
Casey: Thank you, Amy ... for gathering
Eliza: this. I know.
Thank you so
Sanyu: much, Amy.
Casey: Yeah.
Eliza: And thank you, Amy. Always lovely to see you.
Sanyu: Yeah, you didn't tell us about your Halloween, uh- How,
Amy: um- Yeah ... you know what? Yeah. I'm gonna take two seconds to do that, because I started a punk band this year. That's my reaction to the state of the world. And we are playing our very first show.
Montrealers, if you're listening to this today, head over to the Barfly. Come see my new band, Psychic Self Defense. Yes, that is the name of the band, and that is also what we do by making punk music. We are defending our psyches against a world that would have us not make freak mutant punk in the streets.
So thank you, Sonju, for that opportunity- Of course ... to mention that.
Casey: Hell
Amy: yes.
Casey: See me there. That sounds amazing.
Amy: And hell yes. Hell yes. Be a witch. Be a witch. Be a witch. You must be a witch. Hi, I'm Amy.
Coven: I'm Reesa, voices you may have heard on the Missing Witches podcast.
Amy: Or maybe you know us from our books, Missing Witches and New Moon Magic, or our deck of oracles, the Missing Witches deck of oracles.
Or maybe you just Googled, "Find a coven", and here we are. We're what you found.
Coven: We've been producing a podcast that was really our project, a labor of love, kind of a love letter between us, two old hag baby witch friends in Montreal. But we went looking for stories. We really were coming from a place of longing and missing.
We were looking for a feminist history of magic, and that became a huge many-year life mission. And somewhere along the way we started our own coven.
Amy: We're just a couple of besties who, 20 years ago, started making music together, and then making magic together, and then making a podcast together, and then making books together, and making all of the things, and we want you, to invite you to come into this creative cauldron of energy.
Coven: It's sort of like our own social media for feminist witches. Welcome to the coven. I'm Zoé Flowers. It is a place of, I would say, mutual understanding, mutual learning. We teach each other. We learn from each other. We do magic for each other, light candles for each other, encourage each other, share stories, create stories.
Hi, I'm Reed. I am a member of the Missing Witches Coven. I have been since 2023. I'm an ex-evangelical, an ex-fundie, and so after leaving church, I really, really longed for community and ritual, and I have found both of those things here. I am a member of the Missing Witches Coven. I joined because the podcast lowers my cortisol levels.
It's validating, it's affirming, and it's nurturing. Hi, welcome to the Missing Witches Coven. What you can expect in joining is one of the most collaborative, creative, and heart-filled communities that I've ever seen. I love that, uh, my activism is welcome here. We are a justice-loving, anti-ableist, pro-queer, anti-racist, pro-trans, did I say queer?
Queer as hell group of people. I wanted to join a digital coven so that I could easily come and go as I please without feeling like I have to do something regardless of my comfort level. This is not the coven that's gonna force you to do any of that. This is the longest community I've ever been a part of, which says something.
I hope that you'll find it as, um, supportive and loving and kind as I have. I have learned stuff here. I've been able to share my knowledge with people here. Do you like music? Do you like witchy shit? Do you like history? Do you like meditation? Do you like art? Do you like queer spaces? Do you like trans spaces?
It's a place where we gather around music in our meetings. There's usually some sort of song, some sort of instrumentation. We also have the Hive, where we get online and one coven member creates a playlist for that month. And the conversations that you're going to be able to take part in, there's, uh, a whole archive of content.
Do you like anti-ableist spaces? Do you like anti-racist spaces? Do you like the community building through the digital web? Then you can come join our hive, our coven. It is the place for you Are you neurodivergent? Are you chronically ill? Do you have an altar? Do you not have an altar? Do you spend a lot of time in bed?
Do you spend a lot of time on the floor? Do you just need a place to feel like you can be yourself? Then I think the Missing Witches coven is for you. It was for me. Hope to see you. So yeah, that's what we do here. I'm glad you're here. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome to the puppet. Every time I'm, you know, frustrated with social networking, I'm reminded that there's already a place for me, so I hope it's also the place for you.
Welcome. We love you even though we haven't met because we know that you have been missing witches too. We want you to know that we're here. There's hundreds of us all around the world inventing what magic and witchcraft is together, and we'd really love for you to join us in that project of re-enchanting the world.
A home where we all thrive while dancing to the cycles of nature under the phases of the moon, sharing stories and helping each other learn from life and life experiences. Feel it.
Intro: Feel it. Feel it. You must be a witch
And blessed fucking be
Coven: And blessed fucking be.