It's Beltane! It's May Day!! It’s the halfway point between Spring Equinox and Summer Solstice! It's a day of solidarity! It's the official kick off date for the annual Missing Witches Reparations fundraiser!! Every year we at Missing Witches, and our coven, and extended Witch community spend the month of May joyfully raising money for Indigenous support orgs (especially the Native Women's Shelter of Montreal!) and gathering together with magical friends to spotlight Indigenous voices through conversations about Indigenous Futures. Today we're joined by Amanda Amour Lynx, Granddaughter Crow, Christopher Marmolejo and Patty Krawec to talk about our imaginative fantasies as tools of hope, the worm, our stories as umbilical cords, the gardener as futurist, and community as remedy to the weight of survival mode. What revolution are you funding? Patty encourages listeners to join the fundraiser by donating to PAYYOURRENT.CA - collecting funds from people living on stolen land and disbursing them to Indigenous people. Amanda suggests donating to the Sierra Club - Protect the Lakes From a Devastating Oil Spill and Support Anishinabe Nations. As always, GDC recommends discovering and getting involved in your local community. Christopher suggests donating to the Coalition to Stop Violence Against Native Women. Here's a quick rundown of how our fundraiser works: Make a donation of $10 or more to your local Native Women’s Shelter or Indigenous Led Support Org or DONATE to the Native Women’s Shelter of Montreal. Take a screen shot of your receipt and email it to witchreparations@gmail.com with the subject line: REPARATION Be entered to win one of more than twenty-five fabulous prizes (more than $6000 in prizes available to be won - full 2026 list HERE) donated by luminaries of the Witch community. Automatically receive coupon codes for discounts from some of our favourite Witchy Businesses! https://www.missingwitches.com/beltane-2026-midwives-to-new-worlds-mwrf-2026-part-1
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Amy T.: It is Beltane. It's mayday. It's the halfway point between spring equinox and summer solstice. It's a day of solidarity. It's the official kickoff date for the Missing Witches Reparations Fundraiser 2026.
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Amy T.: Witchcraft and the new age have too often benefited from an extractive relationship with First Nations, the people, the culture, the magic, the land. So every year, Risa and I pay forward our community membership earnings for the month of May to the native women's shelter of Montreal and invite you our covenant large to seek out your local indigenous LED support organization, native women's shelter, water, land protectors, and make an investment in our shared future.
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Go to missing witches.com/reparations for all the details. But in the meantime, join me now for a conversation with Shaman author. Her latest is HOZHO Granddaughter Crow, Amour Lynx fabulous artist and musician. Christopher Marmolejo, author of Red Tarot and Patty Krawec. Author of Becoming Kin and Bad Indians Book Club.
So with thank you to the Missing Witches coven, and thank you to my guests for joining me to kick off the sixth annual Missing Witches Reparations fundraiser. Quick note. This year we've gathered over $6,000 in prizes to celebrate. The sixth year we went hard. $6,000 were the prizes waiting to be won.
For us, the month of May is an opportunity to direct resources toward a re indigenized world and refocus. Our spotlight on the vast and prismatic ways that First Nations artists, authors, thinkers, and creators are mid wifeing new worlds into being. For me personally, it's become less about making reparations for the past, although that is still an important guidepost.
But more about funding the future. What revolution do I want to be funding and that is re indigenizing the world. Um, if you noticed me, you as an incredible turn of phrase, wifeing New Worlds that comes from Bad Indians Book Club by Patty Crow. So I'm just gonna read a quick paragraph here.
There is something defiant about being a bad Indian about leaning into these negative stereotypes, something adolescent and feral. If I'm going to get into trouble anyway, I might as well deserve it. This book is ultimately a book about ref. Refusing political categories and borders and violence that come with them.
Refusing to assimilate by becoming the kind of person the state cannot assimilate. It's written by a bad Indian who doesn't just want to survive this current apocalypse. I want to join with others, bad Indians and more. To midwife new worlds into being. So GDC, Patty, Chris Links. Thank you so much once again for joining me to kick off the MWRF 2026 and to midwife new worlds into being.
So let's start with Patty. Can you unpack this metaphor a little bit for me? Of the. The midwife and the new world, both halves of the metaphor.
Patty: Well, could we talk in in movements, you know, movement building and movement spaces. We talk a lot about, you know, emerging worlds and world built, you know, world building.
We talk a lot about world building and I think worlds.
I, I don't know that we're necessarily building worlds. I think worlds are coming and we can choose to be part of their emergence or not. And midwives, I mean, I had, I went to high school. I had have a high school friend who became a midwife. I've known midwives, I've known doulas. I know deaf doulas. Um, actually deaf doula training is something that intrigues me, but I need new project.
S like, I need a hole in the head. I do not need any new projects. Um, but these are all people who just help guide the transition, right? From one world to another, from one way of existing. And, and so that's kind of what I was thinking was not so much world building as helping with that transition, with bringing something new because.
I mean, we, we, we could call it anything that we like, right? We, you know, we turn on the po, the our phones or the tv, and we know that things are changing, right? We know that it's not mysterious, it's not mystical. It's happening in front of us. But what do we want that new world to look like? How do we want to engage with and participate in that new world?
How are we getting each other ready? For whatever is coming so that we can meet it. Well that's what I'm thinking. That's what I was thinking about. And so not just bad Indians with, but also others. Who else are we? This book is very much am My thinking is very much about broad coalitions. Who are we working with?
Who else is out there doing this work? Right. Because nobody, we're never doing it alone. Um. We're not inventing anything new, right? These movements have been around for decades, centuries, millennia. Right? Where I want people to reach back into their stories, into their own stories. They don't need. Our stories can guide the way, right?
But everything you need is in your own stories. It's in your own history. You just gotta pick the colonial garbage off of it. And for some of us that's harder than others. It's for maybe further back. But that's what I was thinking. I was thinking how, 'cause that's the work of a midwife. Is to help the mom, help the family, help the baby, you know, is to do that work.
The midwife isn't the one who's building anything. The but the, but none of it happens without her. So that's what I was thinking.
Amy T.: Uh, and there's, and there's something in there too about, um, the, the birth giver sort of making a deal with life and death. Right. That when you're ushering in these new worlds and in, in humans and in animals, you know, the process of giving birth is life threatening.
Mm-hmm. But it's also the exact opposite. It's life giving and life threatening. And I think, uh, um, maybe we've lost a bit of sight of that. That revolutionary work is dangerous. And
Patty: messy.
Amy T.: And messy.
Patty: If you've ever seen a birth, that's messy.
Amy T.: Yeah. We can't have a clean revolution. We can't have a clean birth.
Um, links, I wanna talk about your work. You are, are or have been, um, working with augmented reality and, and I love this. First of all, it's like, you know, you work with technology. Um, and we've talked about this so much in the past that we don't really need to get into it now, but this meeting place of, you know, ancient, um, tribal primordial even versus like super contemporary future.
But I wanna know about your version of the world when you augment reality digitally. Like, what are you, what are you doing? Um, materially, what are you hoping, how are you hoping to augment the world in like outside the gallery? I know it's a big question. Hi, I love you. How are you? Hi.
Lynx: Hearing Patty's, um, excerpt is endlessly inspiring and just like changed and shifted my mood from the day. So really grateful to be around all of you again. And this is a big question, I think, and as, uh, as you're all speaking. It brought into mind like language and reconnecting with language. And recently I started, I don't know, some, uh, I started working at a, a friendship center doing like beginner language lessons of my traditional language as a beginner.
And I kept telling the students, I'm not a. Teacher, I'm a mentor 'cause I don't know my shit, but there's something about worldview and it being intrinsically tied to how you speak and how you situate or position yourself to land and space. Um. The cosmos as well as just like where you are in physical orientation, like your coordinates and place names.
But most recently in our last class, we were talking about how animals got their names and there's a knowledge keeper in the East coast, earnest Johnson, who, uh, spoke, um, to, to a group and I found it online and. There's a word that they have for the, the squirrel. And it's, uh, a do a do witch and the root word, or in there before you add, like the suffix that makes it an animal is storyteller.
And that has to do with like, the way it puts its paws near its mouth. And so I think. When you're creating new worlds, it's this, it's this combination of everything that you embody through, how you exist in your bo, in your mind, your spirit, and as you, uh, have that, uh, worldview around being in interconnectedness around you and the augmented reality piece.
Uh, was an embodied work. I, I don't wanna say that word because it almost sounds a little pretentious, but I don't mean it in that way. I meant it in the way that, uh. I was building a garden, I was building a native garden, and I was studying the leaves and the placements and what grows beside each other and what the soil needs and what bugs like these things.
How are those interdependent relationships, um, necessary and that capitalism versus, um. Not capitalism view of looking at the world where you isolate things into little compartments just does not work with nature. Um, you can't have an ecosystem in a self-contained, um, hostile, sterile environment. It has all of these things existing and living in that ecosystem.
There's. Like soil is worm shit. Soil is full of bugs. Soil is full of everything that came before our ashes and everything else. But the, all of those. Preexisting conditions are what creates the habitat for those things to thrive. So when I made the augmented reality, I was drawing pictures of the plants while trying to make them go and give them everything that they need and taking a compromised, um, plot like in my garden that was just like.
You know, it was really sad looking. It wasn't like rich Earth, it was, you know, not cared for for a long time and making sure that you're placing it in the right sun, sunlight and all of these things. But then the augmented reality is to sort of subvert what we see right now. So when you're, when you have the phone app, um.
Engaged. You see the buildings around you, you see concrete, you see um, you know, tropical plants that maybe aren't from here. And then you have these native plants that are thriving up on top of it. Imagining this future of what, what it would look like when things are better.
Amy T.: So your, your augmented reality is a, a re-imagining of a possible future.
Lynx: That's what I hope.
Amy T.: Yeah. It's
Lynx: sort of taking in all those, um, prayers and the patience of not knowing what's gonna happen when you go into the darkness and just put some trust in the soil, in the form of a seed and. Not know what's gonna happen at all, and um, just really allow it, that, that space to say that you won't know right away what's gonna happen.
Sometimes these effects take years to even show any kind of influence or impact.
Amy T.: I love this a, a seed as a container for trust. That your trust takes the form of the seed. And then as we go out into this world, we take our hopes and we put them in worm shit and then we pray and tend and nurture and tend.
Thank you Lynx, Chris. I know you are mid wifeing new worlds. I know you are crossing thresholds. Tell me about the thresholds that you're crossing and the world that you're birthing. Mm-hmm. Tell me about your reality, augmented or otherwise.
Christopher: My gosh. I love, um, this connection that, that is, that we're having around mid Wifeing, um, death Doulaing, doulaing.
And then gardening, you know, in this way. Um, gardening a fu uh, gardener is a futurist, of course. This is often said, right? Oh my goodness. And I certainly really relate to that. Um, I, I like to say, like, I think about my work, uh, I try to think about my work like Beyonce, meaning like that there is a, there's different scales.
Like that's, I feel. You know, what is that film? Um, mad Max Fury Road. And they were saving the cr like Theron's had all of the seeds for the future, you know, that like in this, that they were like revolutionarily, like fighting to go and, and turn the desert wasteland back into the garden, back into this fem led, cultivated, curated space.
And I feel like that crone, you know, um, there's a sense of. Being also visionary in a way of receiving, you know, that I just like, I just have to keep up with and be patient because the things that I'm trying to birth and realize and be a vessel for have such different scopes. Um, and, and so, and timelines for maturation and for creation and.
I mean, publishing and writing is certainly an elephant pregnancy. It's certainly a, like a slow thing, you know what I mean? Um, as is healing, as is literally like, you know, flesh and tendons coming together as is, um, the recovery of like, I'm living by land that. Like houses have burned down in, you know what I mean?
Like forest fires happen in California, of course, often. And so seeing just the scale of like how the land will repair itself after immense disaster, um, and, and trying to always re uh, wrestle with reckon with all of the ways to read violence, um, that. Co like birth is violent as hell. You know, there birth is so violent, as is so many things.
And so I think that, um, that's an important question that I'm always putting my work against and like, um, the distinction between violence and suffering, you know, of like this, this. Cr like sadistic, sociopathic. Of course, violence that so many people are suffering within is also a difference in the than the violence and the growing.
I remember when I was a kid, I would just like, I could feel my bones growing, like the growing pains were so terrible. You know, like they hurt so bad. Like, they're like, but that's good. You know, that's not a bad, that was not bad. That was not suffering. Um, and so I think if anything, I'm just trying to maintain a confident patience in the worlds that I'm envisioning and letting that vision be flexible and, and shifting to be like a spinal cord that is supportive and integral and yet flexible.
And, and has a, a rich range of motion that can adapt to the many futures that we are generating as we all take the courage to lay hands on the future and shape it ourselves.
Amy T.: I have to read this quote, you know, this, um. That, um, there's a quote from your book, red Tarot, that I, um, used as a jumping off point as a theme for a coven meeting that we had recently.
Um, you must follow the fool if you want a world where dreams dance out loud. I just wanted to read this, but this is what I wanted to say. Also, again, from like the same paragraph, red Tarot failure and foolishness are the price of taking any meaningful step toward fulfillment. I'm gonna read it again because I feel like a lot of people are missing this messy part of birth, right?
Failure and foolishness are the price of taking any meaningful step toward fulfillment. Can you just talk to me about why failure and foolishness are so integral? Just for a minute,
Christopher: I mean. Failure in foolishness, a k, a, faggotry, you know what I mean? Are the ways forward or sideways or all of the ways. Um, and I love an alliteration, as you can tell by that sentence.
And so there's something there as well. Uh, I just think that failure is so much more interesting than, like, I always tell, tell my clients and my students, like, if you're failing at Empire, that's a good thing. All of the reasons why, which I was, um, harassed and like ostracized from, from my social groups growing up, from my peers were such blessings.
And it was because I was just like this amazing queer, you know, psychic beautiful being that just was like, it was just beaming. Yeah. You know, and it was like they could not handle it because. All of, all of these disciplinary and measures that tell you what success is, that discipline your body into the being domesticated, you know, into being as, as you were saying, links like in these violent, small, self-contained, isolated, um, like anomic containers that lead to your own self-destruction because you're not part of a larger ecosystem where.
Like failure is when you go beyond the failure is a space of exploration. You know, it's a space of discovery, it's a space of experimentation, you know, that also, um, holds you accountable to not quitting. Like failure is an, is an excuse to, to stopping, you know? And it's like also just like get your ego out of the way and, and have fun and dance and sing off key.
But like, the music's gonna flow through you. Like move your hips. They'll loosen up the more that you get over yourself, you know. Um, so, so I think so often that is such the case and as a, as a Carney as I like to say, as a tarot reader, I think there's something so, um, rebellious and, and insurgent that I feel in like put, like push failing, you know, essentially like pursuing the path of failure in being a tarot reader.
And I love all my tarot readers, of course.
Amy T.: Yeah, and it, it relates so much, so much to what Patty wrote about, you know, being bad, not living up to the expectations that are. Violent. Um, GDC, if I had to choose one word that I think encapsulates your message, um, it is authenticity. This is your personal way of being in the world, but also the message that you repeat over and over and over again.
And I think that that's related to this too, you know, to be authentic is to know that if you quote unquote make a fool of yourself or you. Fail that it has no bearing on your worth as a person, and it, it's more authentic to fail than to not try or pretend that you haven't. I also know that you are in the process of giving birth, like right now, your new book.
Um.
Ho. Um, it's coming out like, I think like, um, it's May 1st today, so it's coming out like three or four days from now. Also, um, listeners, when you make your reparation and join the Missing Waitress Reparations fundraiser, you will receive a discount code for 28% off of Granddaughter Crow's new book when you order it from North Atlantic Books.
Um, there's also Prize Pack from North Atlantic. Shout out, red Tarot is also on North Atlantic Books. We are housemates. Okay, that introduction was far too long. Tell me everything. GDC,
GDC: uh, everything would be squares to circles, squares to circles, guys squares to circles. Um, so thank you so much for saying all of that and for announcing my new baby.
It is, um, yeah, it's uh. An elephant birth, like Kristy first said, it was an elephant birth. The reason why I'm saying squares to circles is because when I was listening to Patty and this ushering in a new world, mid wifeing, a new world, I was just like. New world I, I need another like new world. What does that, what does that mean?
And ultimately it means manifest here in the third dimension. But it starts with consciousness, right? It's, to me, it starts with a consciousness shift. It starts with a consciousness shift, and then we moved over to links. And links is like, yes, your conscious, this is how I understood your consciousness is displayed and or.
Uh, informed by the words that you were working with and using certain language and in inclusivity and these types of things, and, and, and that you can imagine a new world through a conscious shift. Which is an app, which I gotta check out. I don't know what you're talking about, but that sounded really tasty.
So then I'm like, yeah, that makes sense. And, and literally kind of like this, think outside the box, right? Square to circle something that can be encompassed in a garden type situation. Something that is being done here. With this, with this panel, you know? And, and it's so cool to me because we live in a world of squares and we need to think in circles.
And then of course we get to beautiful Christopher, Christopher Marjo, you know, I love you. And this visionary. This visionary, and this. You guys get to be rebels If you so choose like, choose which pill, like what is your consciousness gonna do? And do not be afraid because let me tell you something, you ain't doing anything authentic unless somebody doesn't like it.
And I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that is like the more that I grow and the more my what maybe Amy said like courage. Or whatever that is grows. The more vulnerable I am, the more the conditioning of the square on how to think. You need to think this way. It, it hits me and I ru run up against squares, right.
I need to think circular. I need to be like, oh, is my presence so big that it offends you? Do I offend you? You know, it's, it's that, it's, it is the creativity. The artist call, and I reference Hagel who talked about three different types of spirit. And one is, you know, um. Subjective spirit, self to self, you know, seen in like, uh, counseling and psychology and self to self study of self.
Then there's the objective spirit, which is self to other, you know, so you, you're looking at the economy, sociology, and then you get to what? Hagel says is absolute spirit. Absolute spirit is defined as they say in, and as Hagel says, in religion, which I just say spirituality 'cause limited language, right?
Links, limited language that you had back then, but it's like, and creators art. Art brings absolute spirit art. Doesn't, the, the natural world does not draw lines in squares. It is always a, a, it's not a straight line. It's always a movement. And to bring it back home is to say, we're not sitting in a square and there is no head to this table.
We are all equal, all my relations. We bring different aspects of this beautiful diamond called be a little. Be a little authentic, maybe the name of my next book, Hey guys, let's be a little authentic. And, and what that means is exactly what everybody said. It's a midwifery. It is a changing in your thinking, the changing in the way that maybe your creator within you can imagine the visionary.
And then just kind of to bring it home to me, squares. Don't think in squares. People think in circles. Um. I know that sounds funny, but if you know, you know, so being authentic is giving honor to that which created you. It's giving respect to the people around you, because then they don't have to guess.
And if they like your brand, they like your brand. And if they don't, that's okay. That's okay. Is no. Weird. It's like be your authenticity, because it gives gratitude to that which created you.
Amy T.: Can you talk to me a little bit about this, this word that jumped out from your, your subtitle of your book, self Reclamation.
GDC: Yes. What do you want to know? This is scary. We just talked about how violent birth can be, and such self reclamation can feel very violent as well, because you know, one could imagine, oh, reclaiming self, oh, I'm liberated.
Oh, you know, I wasn't raised with that type of privilege. I wasn't raised thinking that, oh, well all I have to do is put on a nice suit and tie and walk into, you know, I was raised in a different way. I was raised as, quote unquote, other Gen X guys born 1970, and then the other, now category is growing and now the others.
Start coming together and we are the others. And, and when you find yourself in this authentic self reclamation, there will be what I call the watchers at the threshold, or I, I learned that from some sort of serial ceremonial magic and they may call it something else. I'm not trying to, you know, quote out of text, but it is this.
You have the concept of we each have a certain capacity and as we grow and develop or whatever, that capacity continues to grow. And it's like a circle around us. And when we touch the silhouette of our old like capacity. You meet what is what I call the guardians there. And the guardians will tell you every single thing that you have heard and were programmed that you are other, you are not enough, you are not indigenous enough, you are not pretty enough, you are not.
And and, and all of those voices you will have to talk to and like reclaim self in the face of the greatest. You know, hater, which is actually the programs for me. I have to stand up to my internal voice that I was programmed to go. Yeah. And, and go beyond that. So self reclamation is, it's war, it's, it's, it's nasty and it's very, very different for people who are artists, for people who have been quote unquote others.
But it's our turn. So, yeah.
Amy T.: This is so thrilling, this notion of the others coming together. You know, we talk about this in our witchcraft circles too, that there are more of us than there are of them. We just have to figure out how to work together. And what a perfect segue. Um, let's hear a little bit.
More about this year's fundraiser and fundraiser prizes. A very quick reminder, we have changed email addresses to make our lives easier. The new email address is, which reparations@gmail.com. Here's some more details. Make a donation of $10 or more. Take a screenshot of your receipt and email it to which reparations@gmail.com, every $10 gets you one entry in a draw with the chance to win one of more than 25 prizes.
So $50 is five entries, a hundred is 10, and so on. Plus everyone who donates will automatically receive discount codes from House Witch in Salem, Madam Phoenix and Toronto and North Atlantic Books. Go to missing witches.com/reparation. So everybody, um, I'm gonna say a couple words and we'll start with Patty.
I want to know what you say in response to these two words. Um. Because I've been hearing them a lot lately in many different circles. Survival mode.
What comes to mind for you when I say the words? Survival mode?
Patty: Anxiety. Yeah. That's what, that's what, that's what comes to mind. Anxiety.
Amy T.: Please expand.
Patty: Oh, okay. Sorry, I, I didn't know if we were gonna popcorning words or what. Um,
GDC: yeah, yeah.
Patty: Just because survival mode. And that's, to me, that's where I've been for the last six months is in, in survival mode. And I've been feeling a ton of anxiety. And it's because when you're in survival mode, you are constantly reacting.
You're constantly catching up. Right. Like you don't have a minute. And that's what I always say is like, you don't, I don't have a minute to think or to write, but when I do have a minute, I spend it numbing, right? Watching tv, doom scrolling, playing games on my phone. I don't spend it doing the very things that I say I want to do, that I need to do.
Um. Because I'm in, I, I'm just trying to keep my head above water. And so I, and you feel like you don't have any control when you're in survival mode, right? So you're constantly, and then you, you're not surviving either, right? Like you're, you are actually not, um, you know, like, so you're a ball of anxiety.
You're just trying to catch up. But then the body. God slows you down. Something happens. And you know what? I rediscovered fiction. Okay. I don't have the head space right now for, okay. I'm struggling through this book by Chand and, and I do love it. Um, but it's hard work to read. So I'm like plowing through fiction every couple of days I'm finishing and that's getting me out of that anxious.
Space and Christopher, I just bought your book and I just went, red Tarot. I just like, what is that? That sounds, sounds like, oh, thank you. Speaking and ordered. My local bookstore adores me. I
Amy T.: love technology that you
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Patty: yeah, like as you were talking, I'm like, that sounds like such a great book. I need to buy that.
Yeah. But yeah, yeah. Survival mode makes me, it actually makes me feel anxious. Because I have been there for the last, I think, six months, and I am crawling out of it
Amy T.: how through fiction and, uh,
Patty: just fiction. Um, my puppy is calming down, so that actually gives me, gives me half a minute. Um, the weather has changed and the puppy forces me to go outside.
Yes, at six 30 in the morning. So I'm drinking my coffee wrapped in my puffy coat, sitting outside, drinking coffee, uh, because I have this puppy who like loves to be outside, uh, and actually, you know, needs to be outside at six 30 in the morning after a long night in his crate. Um, yeah. And Reis friends, spending time with friends and talking this conversation, I've been looking forward to it so much.
And each of you said things that. Helped, right? Like links talking about language made me think of. Um, so the Ojibwe word for traditional stories is atan and it contains tis, which refers to the umbilical cord. So our stories are atan are traditional stories. Connect umbilically child to mother to like all the way back.
To our original mother, right? So even the name for our stories contains that Atan. And so as Lynx was talking about language, I was like, yes, Atan, our language contains so much about how to live well in this world and so much about you. You know how, how to experience because it's. They're process based languages, not thing, not noun based language.
They're process. And that's just such a different way of thinking about the world. Um, you know, Christopher is talking about tarot and, um, the, you know, uh, what, what did you write down pursuing the path of failure? I loved that. Oh my God, that's liberating when I'm thinking about, about survival mode. Um, you know, it's okay.
It's okay to screw up those. Some of the most beautiful things that have happened to me have happened as a result of mistakes that I've made, and even the ones that weren't beautiful, the mistakes that were terrible and tragic, and I. wish I could undo them ha- I, I have learned something as a result. I have done something with those things.
And survival mode calls us to perfection, which is not helpful. And so, Christopher, when you say, you know, when you, when you say, and I, I wrote that down too, uh, proving the path of failure, pursuing the path of failure and the distinction between violence and suffering. I loved that too. And then the authentic self.
So all of these things are helping me with the anxiety of survival mode, which is the random phrase that you gave me. And all of y'all have given me something because I am kind of trying to come out of this stage that, um, I've been thrust into. And you guys have all given me things to hold onto. And so yes, I appreciate you so much.
Amy T.: A little water and sunlight to help ease your bloom out of the worm shit. And I love, I love, I love that you, you brought up fiction because again, it like ties into Lynx's work of re-imagining the world. Like if we can't deal with the facts right now, then let's make something up. Let's imagine a world-
Patty: Let's imagine.
Yeah. Let's imagine what could be and then that will give us actually the tools and the notion that maybe this actually could be.
Amy T.: Yes.
Patty: Maybe the, maybe that actually, maybe we actually could get here or maybe this is how we work through, you know, something that we need to work through. Yeah, I always, I always underestimate fiction and a lot of the books back here now are, like, there's increasing amounts of fiction back there.
Amy T.: Yeah. Yeah. Links. Um, can you talk to our listeners about survival mode? Again, Patty, I love that you reminded us that survival mode isn't survival. It's like a wearing, it's a process of wearing us down to dust. So we can survive as dust or links, what's the alternative?
Lynx: It's conversation's healing me too, um, realizing there's so much resonance between what we're all experiencing, even if we hadn't been in touch for some time.
The words that came to my mind, because you're like, "Pick two words." I was like, "Fight or flight." Um, and on the physiological level, what happens in that, and I'll get the terminology wrong because I never did neuroscience stuff. I just read lots of books and, you know, get the gist and, you know, maybe remember the terminology.
But, um, it's certain parts of your, your body goes offline when you're in fight or flight, when you're in survival mode and the blood stops going to your head and it goes to your limbs because it's preparing you to run away. It's preparing you to punch and kick and protect yourself. It's protecting you in all of these really brilliant ways.
Um, and it's almost like your brain is a computer that has, like, backup storage or like a backup plan for what you're gonna do in an emergency, even if it seems really counterintuitive, but the things that do go offline are things like rest and digest. Um, you'll have digestive upset. These things are not a priority when you're trying to stay safe.
And I think I really relate to what you're saying about being in survival mode the last six months. And what that mode looked like for me was, um, in some ways hiding and retreating in the sense that, um, how we come to heal ourselves is coming together in community, but when you fail or when you like, um, that beautiful quote that Christopher shared earlier, um, when you're that fool or you feel foolish, like, "Oh, I wish I had done this or may- I wish this didn't happen or if I only made this different decision, um,
it, it personally doesn't make me feel proud. It makes me feel shy to reach out to my relationships or, like, really be in community because I'm feeling lack, I'm feeling like I'm not built up and I need things and I don't want people to see me that way." And so thinking about how do you sustain yourself in those moments and pretending and faking it till you make it makes me think of manifestation and how if you're doing spell work, you end up, um, focusing on the things that you're looking to cultivate and creator or whatever you wanna call it only hears the, the details and it doesn't really care about, "I don't want that or I do want that.
So when you focus on your lack, it actually rev- like, vibrates that back to you or, like, perpetuates it in a way. So I think there's really s- major survival strategy in escapism or fantasy because that allows you to envision a certain type of world to, um, manifest in your future, uh, to extend and push past the discomfort of having fallen down and going, "I, I might have broken my leg, but if I'm gonna survive, I'm gonna have to drag this guy behind me and use the one that works to really push myself out of this thing until I have, um, resourced enough to help myself or get that interdependence back from doing what we should be doing, like being back in community or having that, that visionary sense of that native garden blooming with wildfire, wildflowers.
And I guess this time of year, people are doing controlled burns and wildfires. That was a Freudian slip, but-
Amy T.: Well- ...
Lynx: This destruction's important as well.
Amy T.: And we're, we're the year of the fire horse right now, right? So I like to think of us as being a herd. Um, in, in our circles, we've talked about this a lot, that we went from the year of the snake, which is sort of like a, an individual, um, to the wild horse, which is the herd.
Um, the others are coming together to put it in GDC's, uh, um, way of thinking. But also, thank you for this reminder links that, like, when we feel this fight or flight, this survival mode, this lack, um, that it often makes us not reach out because there's a shame under late sta- stage capitalism that is, like, associated with this lack when that is the opposite of what we should be doing.
I'm putting my phone number in the chat. I hope to see you writing it down. And I promise, you made me think of, you know, Risa has been going through cancer treatment for two years, and we had a very, you know, vulnerable, honest conversation where she was telling me, like, I just ... And I'm, I'm paraphrasing, but I just feel like I'm just a fucking drag to be around.
And I said, Counterpoint. What if you are so fucking amazing and fantastic that even at your worst, you're still valuable, you're still a joy that we still wanna be around you, even at your worst. So I say unto you links. Even at your worst, I put my phone number in the chat. Even at your worst, please call me, Christopher, I know you have something to say about survival mode.
I know you do. I know what you do.
Christopher: I just text you right now also, so just saying. Um, I certainly, I mean, I certainly do. It's like, this is such a rich ... Like, this is such, such a rich point. I'm
Amy T.: sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I have to say, I did just get a text from Chris and I'm fucking delighted. Thank you. I love technology.
Christopher: Me too. Oh, my goodness. Um, my goodness, I'm loving everything that y'all are saying. I mean, you know me, I, I, I am, um, very wordy. And so I, I, like, there is things going in and more things are coming in, in terms of, like, my response to survival mode. Um, but I think, well, first was trauma in the soul, you know, which I think is what we're obviously naming.
And then I think about cockroaches. I think about also predation to be in survival, like, and hearing this from Links, um, the, and the exper- like naming the experience of shame when you f- when you're gripping, you know, when you're hanging onto the edge of the ledge is symptomatic of being assaulted, you know?
That is as, that is a mode of being victimized, right, of being abused, is that this was like, there's this sense of being made passive, you know, of being put into this state where it's like, "Oh, I lost my job." No, ha- you know you, you didn't know where it went. Like you can't find it, you were there yesterday.
What do you mean you lost it? No, someone fired you. Who fired you? You know what I mean? Like who was doing the layoffs? Like this sense where we, the language that we're using obscures the abuse that gets perpetuated and then we internalize it as a justification for why we are struggling, that we interpret our failure, we interpret our struggle as, um, symptomatic of our inherent unworthiness by virtue of being femme, indigenous, queer, fag, and, and on, right?
And so I, for me, survival mode is also like, well, who is, who are we prey to? Who is, like, where are the predators? And obviously that's an ongoing and relevant conversation in this world. Um, so that is ... And so then, and then of course, like, the interruption of trauma and how is your s- like the way that these living and
I feel, I mean, I will say I am the f- I am a bastard failure child that, like, my, you know, I grew up in survival bone. My parents had me at 16, you know, like I am, that's just the context of my birth. And I think, like, if anything you know, there is an alchemization and there is, like, so much, um, just, like, I should not be where I'm at, you know, you know?
I should not have done or achieved the things that I have achieved. Like, my family should not be in the spaces that it's at. And also, uh, for the first time, I don't exactly feel like I'm in survival mode, um, in this past couple years, which has been great. I think that I'm trying to thrive, but I also have people that I'm deeply in community with who are in survival mode, you know, in sitting with them and, like, of course, the larger collective world where, um, there are certain things of just dealing with chronic fatigue and, and being porous, you know, and dealing with the world that is surviving, um, is a charge to truly be a spiritual warrior and to recognize that there
I, I'm sorry to keep just har- harping on this, but, like, that there are predators out there, that there are people actively see ... Like, it's not just like, "Oh, I made a wrong step," or, you know, "I, I, I made a typo or something," you know what I mean? Or, or something like that. It's like, "Oh, I was, um, tricked and, and I was deceived, and then I was taken advantage of, I was exploited, and these things were, um, systematically set up for me to be, uh, in this, in this position."
So for me, it's, that's always helpful for, as you were saying, like, GDC, like, also, like, this, like, ex- like, expunging these scripts and these modes internalized, you know what I mean? It's to be able to kind of, like, name who the violators are, to name where the violence, the, the ev- like, evil violence honestly is, um, because, yeah, because I'm just, like, uh, a Taurus rising who wants to move and eat good food and, like, nap in the sunlight all day and, like, listen to Mariah sing you know?
And, and, like, people are fucking with that. And so, like, what the hell? Let's call them out.
Amy T.: Yeah. I mean, we are a group of, you know, sweet, sensitive, beautiful, artistic, creative, lovely, loving people, and so oftentimes it's, like, sh- not surprising, but shocking to me that there are people who are, want me to fail, that there are people in the world who are actively working against other people.
Instead of doing their own thing, they're putting their energy into tearing other people down. And for us in this room, and hopefully in this coven, that's such a wild idea. Like, why? But it's very, very, very fucking real. GDC, how real is survival mode?
GDC: It's too normalized. When, when you said, "I'm gonna go ahead and round rob," and you get to choose two words, right?
I was totally with legs. I was like, "Okay." And I was like, "Okay." And I said, "Too normalized." No, no problem. I'm just playing with you, Amy. You know, and then my mind, of course, went straight to amygdala. When you're amygdala, which is that part of your brain that is the eldest part, uh, and it is sense of survival, it is not just fight, flight, or freeze, there is also fawning, fawning and, and, and to call out your predator and not excuse them.
So I'm, like, all, you know, activated because I'm like, you know, a lot of times, just like what you said, Amy, we are, like, foreign to that there is a predator and we are, like, part of this whole group that's like, "Oh, it must be my responsibility even if it's not. Let me see how I can grow. Let me ... " We take responsibility for ourselves and they keep praying on it and I hate to be the person
Well, I'm not the person. I'm actually, you know, just saying it maybe for me, you know, is there are literally predators out there. And if we are so conditioned to take responsibility for, you know, maybe we need to understand and, and maybe I should have while I was doing my shadow work and all of that kind of stuff, if the, if the sensitives, if the spiritual people that have been doing that, sit back and feel like, "Oh, it wasn't all in my head.
That person actually is an asshole." Well, there we go. I don't have to fawn anymore. I don't have to pretend that they don't exist or that they might get better because I am horrified. So, you know, amygdala-
Amy T.: Yeah. ...
GDC: amygdala and who normalized because to the extent people that there is historical trauma, there is DNA trauma, there's a lot more work going on in the, uh, psychological community to be, uh, or maybe it's always been there and I'm finally doing my, my own studying about it, but this word fawning that we just, "Oh, it's okay.
It's okay." And then this other thing of DNA trauma. And I really wanna, you know, just say there is a book, uh, called My Grandmother's Hands, and it's Risma, uh, I can't remember what the last name ... Minnekin, thank you, spirit or whatever, and that will talk to you about the survival mode that maybe you don't understand that you're in because you quantify your life and they told you what it is.
Maybe something is going on in your body that, and other people's bodies are traumatizing you. And so when we, if it's too normalized, I have to recognize that in myself, how many times I am fawning or giving excuses to, "Well, maybe I didn't explain that right. Maybe that person just is traumatized." You know, all of that-
Amy T.: How, how is this my fault?
Yeah. How is their poor treatment of me my fault? Yeah.
GDC: Yes, preach. You know, and that's the whole thing. And that's why that, I hate to say it, that's why that dynamic works is because one person will take full responsibility and the other one will take none. And so until the person with complete, they kept taking responsibility, kept taking responsibility, when they start going, "Wait, when is it my turn?"
And, and then the, the other per- the taker is like, "You changed. You are a bad person." And it's like, ugh. But anyway, when we are moving out of that state, which I am saying could have been through bloodline, when we are moving out of the state, uh, for me, it's a more important question, is how do we normalize not being in survival?
Amy T.: Yeah. And for so many, like, what would that even look like? What possibilities would arise from that? It's a future that we can imagine together, for sure. Um, I wanna go around the circle one more time. Firstly, let me say, I have my list here. I know last year, Chris, you suggested donating to the coalition to stop violence against Native women.
Is there anything you wanna add, um, another organization that you're very into at this time that we can add to our list of suggested, uh, receivers?
Christopher: I'm like, all, yes, all of, all of them. Um, all of them that y'all find ... And, and, you know, but, um, Missing and Murdered Indigenous, um, people in San Diego is, like, a local one.
So, um, that is just always one near and dear, um, to, to my, to my heart. Any, any sort of branch locally, wherever you may find yourself that is focused on, like ... It, it was previously MMIW, right, for, like, the censure on women, but it has shifted to, to people. Um, and so, so yeah, that's what I would say. I mean, I think it obviously builds on this as well.
Like, how are you s- surviving when people are being disappeared, right? Again, being preyed upon and just, like, disappeared. Um, and so, uh, uh, one of the indicators is, like, the red hand print over the mouth, over the face, right? And so for the listeners, um, that, like, if you see that image, that's a good, like, sign to go and support that work.
Amy T.: And how can our listeners support you? Selfishly, just you.
Christopher: I just, I, well, I it's like a- Tell,
Amy T.: tell me about Thresholds. Thresholds is, is starting soon,
Christopher: right? Yes. Thresholds is starting soon. Thank you, which is a foundational tarot course that pairs along with my book, Red Tarot, A Decolonial Guide to Divinatory Literacy.
And so it's very comprehensive, and it is just my cast iron skillet, um, where we talk about the ethics of being a diviner. It's, it's, it is, like, you'll learn tarot, um, but I also gear that course to having a client practice and, like, trying to read for others. And that's what I think the cards wanna be between people, you know?
And even if you're not, like, a professional, but reading for your friends, reading for your family, they, they are your clients reading for whomsteva. Um, and of course, just the newsletter, just join me on the newsletter and you'll hear about all my offerings, which is the redread.beehive, uh, dot com..
Amy T.: Beehive.com. Yeah. And of course, everybody, all these links as always- Thank you. ... in the show notes. Links, L-I-N-K-S, now links, L-Y-N-X. Last year, you hyped the Sierra Club, protecting lakes from a devastating oil spill and support Anishinaabe nations. Um, I imagine that that still works, but is there anything new?
Anybody else you wanna spotlight?
Lynx: There's really so many. I think redistributing should just continue and continue, but what comes to mind is We Matter campaign.
Amy T.: Mm-hmm.
Lynx: There are indigenous, uh, led organization in Turtle Island that focuses on youth mental wellness through role model ambassadors. So having people below the age of 30 representing, um, resilience through just existing, not really needing to, you know, be more than just deserving, but, um, actually seeing yourself represented in media around you, see yourself, um, reflected in others instead of isolated is one of those key ways to, uh, challenge feelings of mental illness, suicide, um, and that's the reality of what the world is trying to do to us.
It's trying to, you know, make us not hear their predators as, as been mentioned. So that so is on my mind.
Amy T.: Yeah. And is there any way ... I feel like you're not selling anything right now, which is fine and great, but is, is there any way that our listeners can support you personally? I know you just made a big move, so maybe you need some, uh, some support for that.
Lynx: Y- yeah. I keep, uh, I keep doing c- I keep giving my energy, um, but I'm thinking of doing prints. I've been making and making and making whatnot, um, creating products because sometimes those stories feel so sacred, but I have, um, I have some prints I'm gonna make, so I feel really hopeful that they'll look, they'll look nice when they exist in the physical instead of the digital.
Amy T.: Yes. I, I have an empty spot on my witch art wall that I was like, "I'm not gonna fill this spot because soon something will come." And then, and now I know I can't wait to buy, buy a print of your work links. Patty, so of course, payyourrent.ca. Do you wanna talk to us a little bit about payyourrent.ca? Yeah.
Patty: So that's a foundation that I started a few years ago with, uh, a couple of friends and we basically encourage settlers to pay their rent and they donate money to us and then we donate it to indigenous people. Uh, we support, um, we support people's material needs, like literally paying their rent, um, helping them get housed, stay housed, cell phone bills, get stuff out of storage.
Like a lot of the falling through the cracks kind of stuff that other organizations don't have the mandate for. We'll say, "Sure, we'll pay for that. We'll help that. If we, if we have the money, we'll give it, we'll, we'll give it away." Um, but we also support organizers who are building communities because if you, you also have to work against the reasons for why people need that money, right?
So we support organizers as well as meeting people's material needs. Um, yeah, so that's, uh, payyourrent.ca. Um, and then if people want to support me, they can subscribe to my blog, uh, thousandworlds.ca, um, which is part of that midwifing New Worlds. And, and right now I'm working ... And the reason, uh, Christopher, that I, um, immediately glommed onto your book and ordered that is I, I try to create
I'm really not very good at creating content specific for paid subscribers. I'm working through Anashnabe stories right now. That's kind of what I'm putting out, uh, every, you know, every ... I try every week or so, um, working through these stories that were actually documented in 1912, which is really cool, um, because they haven't evolved.
They've been, like, trapped in amber, um, so they're really kind of cool. Um, but for paid subscribers, we're now doing tarot time where I just ... Let's just pull some cards. Let's see what ... And I'm almost more like, I guess, a writing prompt with some influence from spirit you know? So yeah, so people could also ask me questions, um, and then, like, pick the deck that I'm using that they want me to use.
And then it would be, like I said, a writing prompt. It's not a, it's not a reading, um, because a reading is a conversation between me and that person, what they see in the cards, what I see, you know, it's, it's ... And, and that's not what would be happening, um, in the paid content, so it's more of a writing prompt.
You ask a question, let's see what story the cards tell, and then take what you need from that. Um, so yeah, so that was why, you know, yay, more tarot resources.
Amy T.: You are going to love Red Tarot. It's exactly that before we officially started rolling this tape listeners, we were talking about encountering very dense material and academic material that's, like, wonderful and you're, you're amazed, but you're kind of like, "Oh, this is a slog."
Christopher somehow has taken everything that you need to know from the academy and put it through this, like, beautiful kaleidoscopic, prismatic lens that makes it so legible and so, um, what's the word that I'm looking for? Like, I can eat it. Mm. I can eat it. You know? And I, I don't have to chew it and chew it and chew it.
I can just eat it and enjoy it and I feel full and, like-
Christopher: I love you so much. Thank you.
Patty: Actually, also, I, I know Lane Smith, I think, has talked with you before, right? Yeah. Yeah. I have their book, uh, 78 Acts of Liberation, which- Yeah. ... I really, uh, which is another tarot book that I really enjoy their take on it.
Amy T.: Yes. And of course, I'm holding in my hand, Bad Indians Book Club and Becoming Kin. So that's another way that listeners, you can support Patty and Patty's work. Fantastic. From your
Patty: favorite independent bookstore.
Amy T.: Yes.
Patty: Get them from your favorite independent bookstore. Jeff Bezos doesn't need to go to the moon and back.
Amy T.: No. Or go to the moon and don't come back.
Patty: Yeah, don't come back. Just go to Mars. Go to
Amy T.: Mars. This to Mars. Yeah.
Christopher: Go to Mars.
Amy T.: You know, Judy, Judy Gray and, um, Judy Gron, Judy Gron told me when we spoke, she was like, "This is an earth-centered movement. Go to Mars. Fuck off to Mars. We don't need you. We don't want you.
Go. GDC, I know every year when I ask you this question, you give me the answer that I love, which is you tell people, "Go into your local community. Don't listen to what GDC says. Go and find it for yourself. Go and see for yourself." And that's so much a part of what the Missing Witches Reparations Fundraiser is about.
Of course, we talk a lot about the Native Women's Shelter of Montreal, and that, that's where our resources go, but we want you to look at the map, nativelands.ca, and you can find out, um, what First Nations were on the land that you're standing on before you stood here. Reach out to your community, find out the amazing work.
We've heard so many great stories about people reaching out to their local community and finding something that they didn't know existed that was super resonant with what they were own, what they were doing in their own lives, and then just this, like, expansion. That's what we're looking for. So we know.
GDC says, "Go out into your community, use your senses, taste the air and touch and see what is going on. " So I'm gonna give you this moment to plug the newest book, please. Oh. Plug, plug, plug, plug, plug, plug, plug. It's wonderful.
GDC: Thank you. Oh, oh my goodness. Yes, I, my future, my current self stands in solidarity with my past self that said that absolutely.
Um, hey guys, I got a new book coming out. It's called Hoshan, right? It's called Hoshan. And if you are like, wait, what's she saying? This is gonna be difficult. Yeah, it is a Navajo word and it is encouraging you to like go hosho and reach out there. It's a little scary, but it is a Navajo Nation Medicine Woman's exploration of the four bodies of existence for balance and self-reclamation.
Um, it is North Atlantic Books, um, is the, my publishing house. Uh, the beauty of this is that we often look outside of ourselves for counsel, which I think is extremely healthy, but we also need to look inside of ourself to our birthright of the council that was given to us. And that is the four bodies of existence, your physical body, your emotional body, your mental body, your spiritual body.
Calling them bodies helps us to understand, articulate, wrap some feelings around a little more texture around it's not something that I own. It is something that I need to feed that I need to take care of and exercise. And then it also, once you are able to listen to all of those four bodies as your internal counsel, the book helps to walk through what is that internal narrative that's been playing?
Can you identify it? And I help people to do that and then all of a sudden, now, do you still like your, that narrative that you are living or do you wanna adjust it to live a more powerful life on purpose? Um, this book has a life of its own and, man, I'm, I'm beside myself with it. It's, it's, it's absolutely, uh, self-reclamation.
I tell a lot of stories. So basically the, the setup is you do hear about the philosophical way that I'm expressing the four bodies of existence. And I explain that, explaining the sympathetic, parasympathetic nervous system and going into the gut system and going into your emotional intelligence and all of that.
And then we go into, you know, a little bit more of, you know, okay, what is Granddaughter Crow's story here? Can she show us an example of how she moved through not just the philosophy, not just the grounded scientific, uh, analysis of it, but the embodied lived experience. And so I walk with you through the book and I absolutely love it, love it, love it.
And I appreciate you letting me share it because, yeah, Hoshone in the Navajo is a word that I think it's most aptly translated into English language, meaning harmony. And so when people start going, "Oh, well, Hochel means harmony, so I'm just gonna tr- inner trans..." No, you can't, those are, those are not interchangeably.
They are like if you were to say Zen means peace. Hoshon means harmony. It's something that is embodied. Shout out to, uh, my dad, Reverend Jackson Yazi, born 1932, passed the physical body in 2023, dedicated this book to you, dad, and decided to publish it after you passed so you wouldn't have to defend what your little girl is saying.
Okay. So, because I got a little bit ... I mean, he agree, he went into the na- he was taken out of the Hogan and put into boarding schools, and he has had to come to terms with that in his own lifetime. His little girl, Joy Joy, me, is a little bit more feisty about that. I do not feel like being adaptable. I do not feel like that p- that program is good, and so I'm, I'm kind of making a stance, so yeah.
Amy T.: Yeah. Hoshawn definitely can go into the Bad Indians Book Club.
GDC: I am.
Amy T.: It's definitely a Bad Indians book. So let me say one more time and y'all get ready because this May and hopefully Many Mays in the future and five Mays in the past, you are going to hear this again and again. Make your reparation of $10 or more to any local indigenous led support organization or to the Native Women's Shelter of Montreal or payyourrent.ca or or, or, or take a screenshot of your receipt and email it to witchreparations@gmail.com.
For every $10, you'll get one entry in our draw for this year, sixth year, over $6,000 worth of prizes, amazing stuff. And also, everyone who makes any kind of donation is gonna get discount codes for House Witch in Salem, Madame Phoenix, in Toronto, and to order your very own copy of Hosha by Granddaughter Crow from North Atlantic Books.
And while you're shopping on the North Atlantic Books website, you might as well pick up Red Tarot, right? Thank you all so much links, Chris, GDC, Patty. I learned when I was doing some research for my kinship episode on rats that there was a man who studied rats by drowning them and found that the rats who had been rescued once and had that memory were able to continue swimming for 60 additional hours.
So let me remind you that hope is not just a fantasy, it is a survival mechanism. And whether your hope is an invention or something that you found in the material world, it can help us keep swimming. Let's all keep swimming together in this hoard of others. Let's create a wave of care. Let's make a reparation for the past and fund a fucking revolution for the future.
Bless it fucking be thank you links. Thank you, Patty. Thank you, Chris. Thank you, GDC. I love you all so much, and it's ... I have hope. I have more hope than I had this morning. Mm.
Patty: Mm. Thank
Christopher: you all.
Patty: Love you so much. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me back, and I just love these conversations.
GDC: I love community.
And guys, this is what community looks like. Go out, find your own community. It's right here. It's right here.
Lynx: I love you guys.
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